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Post by langevin25 on Jul 31, 2004 11:29:15 GMT -5
Just looking for peoples opinions towards the trade. I don't think they got enough, that he is much more valuable.
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Post by Jim Bowden on Jul 31, 2004 16:59:18 GMT -5
The Red Sox got hosed, Mientkiewicz isnt even an upgrade over Millar and Cabrera is obviously a major downgrade to Nomar. On top of that they gave up one of their best spects. I still cant believe Hendry was able to keep Clement. Nomar is gonna look damn good in a Cubs uni, especially if he resigns...even if he doesnt, a great trade for the Cubs.
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Post by Mohandas Gandhi on Oct 15, 2004 15:42:50 GMT -5
ya so what do you guys think of it now?
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Post by rangersgm on Oct 16, 2004 16:43:31 GMT -5
As a Cubs fan if we had won the WC it would have been fine. But now, it sucks balls. Nomar won't resign. And now we have no SS, 2B, or good relievers. OH yea we traded our best 2B spect in Harris and best reliever in Beltran. WTF do we do now?
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Post by Edgar Martinez on Oct 16, 2004 18:29:41 GMT -5
Well management for the Cubs are gonna hope they can move Sosa and his contract or most of it to fill those holes or they might just try some spects in system or get cheap decent replacements. I think its most obvious they have a plan to work with, I doubt they did the trade if they would get stuck in a situation where they are screwed, but then again who knows......
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Post by metsrule101 on Oct 16, 2004 22:04:01 GMT -5
The Cubs are a mess right now. I think its very fixable though. In my opinion the media and fans in Chicago over react alot. I know the season was a disapointment and Victor Diaz will go down in Cubs history along with Bartman and the many others(MY BOY VICTOR!). But the Cubs still have a great pitching staff going into 2005. Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Maddux, and Clement(if resigned). That is pretty nasty. They can easily fix there pen there are a few good relivers available this offseason. I also dont think its the end of the world if Nomar leaves. What has he done for the Cubs? 4 homers, and that stupid bunt. I know Nomar has put up some great years but in my opinion he's overated.
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Post by rangersgm on Oct 31, 2004 17:35:34 GMT -5
Our pen will be crap next year with money guaranteed to Hawkins, Borowski, and Remlinger and not enough funds to sign real relievers. We will end up signing mediocre crap like we have the last two years and watch them consistently blow games.
And Clement won't be resigned, the job will probably be battled out for by Sergio Mitre and Angel Guzman. Mitre is a piece of garbage, please Buddha no mor Mitre.
The reason it is a big deal if Nomar walks is because we again will have no one at SS or 2B. Brendan Harris would have been a great replacement for Grudz/Walker we're gonna be stuck with another damn Alex Gonzalez type at SS again.
So as Cubs fans, all we can hope for now is Matt Murton to blossom into a star.
As for the Sosa trade, the only team that might want him is the Yankees. And frankly, I'd rather have Sosa than Kevin Brown. Maybe if Vasquez was in the deal, but I doubt that.
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Post by Jim Bowden on Oct 31, 2004 18:18:53 GMT -5
If the Cubs find a closer in the offseason then the pen will be fine, someone like Benitez would be nice. It wouldn't be a strength but it would be good enough.
As far as SS/2B, I heard Nomar will take a 1 yr deal to prove that he is healthy and can still put up good numbers. If that's the case then his chances of signing with the Cubs is much better. For 2B I think Walker will be back and he has proven he is a solid player. If they can sign both of those guys then that makes for a very nice middle infield.
The LF situation is where it really gets interesting. Will they go after Beltran , MAggs or Drew or give Dubois a shot? Id loooove to have Beltran, hed not only be a huge bat added to the lineup, but not many balls would fall between him and Patterson in the outfield. Plus he showed that he can really come up big when it counts, the playoffs. I dont see it happening though, George is going to go nuts this offseason and Beltran will probably be his main target.
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Post by Brian Cashman on Oct 31, 2004 19:03:38 GMT -5
George will go Nuts and Get Beltran, and probably 1 or 2 more SP's
10 to 1 says Nomar resigns with the Cubs unless George realyl gets crazy and wants Nomar for 2nd base(they talked about it a few times over the years and alot towards the start of last season knowing Nomar would be a FA, but that was before he was traded)
The Cubs won't do much next year in my mind because they are going to be forced to trade Sosa they let Alous bat go, Maddux is another year older and Clement is rumored to be going to the Indians at this point. That leaves Wood Prior and Zambrano as the big 3 and both Wood and Prior were very injury prone last year
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Post by rangersgm on Oct 31, 2004 19:56:28 GMT -5
Beltran will not go to the Yankees. He isn't that type of loser. He was amazing in Wrigley last year and has been quoted as saying he would love to play in Chicago. I'd say there's a 50% chance he is in a Cubs uni next year now that we have freed up a ton of money by letting Alou and probably Clement go. Over 20 Million. We will also probably free up more money if we trade Sosa b/c there is really no position we need that badly that has that much salary.
The only thing is if we sign Beltran he will probably be the one playing CF. He, IMO, has much better range than CP.
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Post by Mohandas Gandhi on Oct 31, 2004 20:14:58 GMT -5
dude lets see if the cubs can come close to matching the yankees offer for beltran. sure, hed love to play in chicago, but for a certain dollar amount. for example, nomar said he loved boston and wanted to end his career here, but not enough to take $15 million per year last spring training.
and also, pedro has recently said boston is his home and his heart is whith boston and all that crap, but am i confident that the yankees wont get him? no....because of money.
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Post by metsrule101 on Oct 31, 2004 22:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by rangersgm on Nov 1, 2004 2:47:23 GMT -5
How much do you expect the Yankees to offer him? If the Cubs are to pursue him then Alou and Sosa will undoubtedly both be gone and Beltran will be our franchise player. That clears over 30 Million in salary. Now they wouldn't pay him that but if they are trying to make him their franchise player I can actually see them offering him 20 mil a year. If they were paying a 35 y/o in Alou 15-17, it's not out of the question.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Nov 1, 2004 9:13:20 GMT -5
I am going on the record agreeing with SF, GO METS!, but I will also say if the Cubs offer Beltran 20 Million, then the Yankees will make Beltran the highest paid player in baseball. Steinbrenner will not let another curse die, or take the spotlight from him, trust me, he will get Beltran and Pavano, and most likely Pedro. Which sucks but Yankees owner spends his money, and I can't blame him for that.
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Post by Mohandas Gandhi on Nov 1, 2004 9:48:37 GMT -5
Oh wait but Pavano said he wants to play for the Red Sox, meaning that according to Cubs fans, we will get him, not the Yankees.
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Post by Edgar Martinez on Nov 1, 2004 12:07:56 GMT -5
I heard and read differently, Pavano really wants to stay with Florida....but still wants to see what FA has to offer.
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Post by Edgar Martinez on Nov 1, 2004 12:21:20 GMT -5
Nomar is pretty much staying with Cubs or going to Anaheim. He wants to stay with the Cubs, he says he really like the team, but if Anaheim pays Nomar what he truly wants you know he'll go there
Beltran probably won't go to the Cubs, he more likely will stay with the Astros, but thats only if they can free up money to take him. Yankees, Mets, and other teams has a legitimate shot at him if they offer alot of money.
Pavano, this is kinda tough. He wants and prefer to stay in Florida. But he will probably be persuade by offers from 10 other teams. I'll say he'll stay loyal to Florida unless teams like Yankees or Boston offer him major $$$$
Pedro is kinda easy in terms of where he's going. Its either Red Sox or a team in the SoCal area. Giants really interested in him and so is Padres and LA. Pedro doesn't want to play in Yankees uniform.
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Post by Mohandas Gandhi on Nov 1, 2004 19:00:58 GMT -5
ya im sure clemens didnt wanna play in a yankee uniform either until it was put in front of him and he was making over $10 mil doing so.
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Post by Brian Cashman on Nov 1, 2004 19:14:31 GMT -5
Actually Clemens wanted to play for Yankees. That is why he said he is going in the hall as a Yankee. He hates Boston after the way they treated him and ran him out of town.
Now about Pedro thats tough. Sure the money might persuade him but do the Yankees really want him and how will he be treated in the club house after 3/4th's of the team said they want nothingto do with Pedro
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Post by Jim Bowden on Nov 1, 2004 20:46:33 GMT -5
George will go Nuts and Get Beltran, and probably 1 or 2 more SP's 10 to 1 says Nomar resigns with the Cubs unless George realyl gets crazy and wants Nomar for 2nd base(they talked about it a few times over the years and alot towards the start of last season knowing Nomar would be a FA, but that was before he was traded) The Cubs won't do much next year in my mind because they are going to be forced to trade Sosa they let Alous bat go, Maddux is another year older and Clement is rumored to be going to the Indians at this point. That leaves Wood Prior and Zambrano as the big 3 and both Wood and Prior were very injury prone last year And being forced to trade Sosa is a bad thing? If they trade him then that will free up a lot more cash and will give then Cubs a much better shot at getting Beltran/Drew/Maggs who are all better than Sosa both offensively and defensively. And Alou might have put up nice #s last yr but he did nothing on the road and brought a terrible attitude to the team last yr. He was always whining to the umps and bitched all year long about the Cubs announcers because they didnt kiss the Cubs players' asses all game long like he thought they should. Think about that-a guy who is more worried about what the announcers are saying about him than winning-pathetic, and i'm glad he will be gone. Guys like him (and injuries) are what cost the Cubs last year, they had as much talent as anyone, but they didnt want it nearly as bad as teams like the Cards or Stros. Hopefully there will be a better attitude next year or they'll be doing the same thing in October as last year, playing golf. And i don't know about you, but I'll take my chances with Zambrano/Wood/Prior/MAddux/Guzman? over whatever the hell the bankees put out there next year. |
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You can do it Omar!!!!! Yankees ain't getting Beltran so quit dreaming. Their in big trouble! Yanks aint getting Beltran, Pavano, or Johnson. So pretty much their screwed!!!!! 
