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Post by Bill Stoneman on Mar 28, 2006 11:59:51 GMT -5
Vote Passes, 8-6.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 13:36:32 GMT -5
actually Rule at stalemate 7-7 rule does not pass.... correct...
TOR- no NYY-no ATL-no COL-no CHC-no BAL-no MON-HELL NO No's- 7
SD-Yes CIN-Yes MIL-Yes KC-Yes STL-Yes BOS-Yes NYM- Yes Yes's- 7
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Post by Bill Stoneman on Mar 28, 2006 13:38:31 GMT -5
I asked CHC about his vote, because the Compensation picks would not be tradeable, and he clarified that his vote is a yes. I probably should have mentioned it before, but I kinda took it as assumed that these would not be tradeable. Even if people wanted that, there is no way to make it happen.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 13:58:04 GMT -5
well doesn't that suck lol, rewarding people for ruining their major leagues, and help them re-build easier and faster? I mean look at the teams like CIN and BOS, they have the #1 and #2 picks in the draft, AND since the minimum salary is 60 MIL BOS has 43.55 MIL to spend in offseason and CIN has 38.875 MIL to spend in offseason, STL trades all his ML players, finishes .500, and has 57.2 MIL to spend in offseason, 3 teams that could EASILY with no effort, just signing FA's improve their teams by 30+ games. Even getting rid of BOS cause he tanked, the other two didn't they just got rid of anyone good in the ML's, meaning they are not tanking, their teams just suck.
We have just given any team in the league with a good ML team and a horrible minor league team the PERFECT plan.
A) Trade all good ML players for good spects. B) Get top 5 draft pick C) Have a team salary of all 300K players(salary= 7.5 MIL) D)Use the 52.5 MIL on FA's E) At mid season-repeat step A F) Get top 10 draft pick, and compensation pick, meaning you get to pick 3 times before 2/3 of the league gets their 2nd pick) G) Use your 52.5 MIL on 2 imports H) Lose the rest of the 3rd season I)Have 52.5 MIL to spend in offseason between seasson 3-4. J) Sign good FA's with the money. K)Bring up all the traded for spects, and the top 5 spect, and the imports, to join your FA's.
Now they can EASILY with very little effort, just basically dumping their ML's for good minor leaguers, build a team of great players, while the ones that actually worked to make their teams good have to watch teams get good teams handed to them.
Eh now that I have ranted and gotten it out, I guess it's better than the alternative of keeping the teams with GM's that don't know what they are doing, continue to suck. SO oh well whatever makes the league more competitive, and I agree, making it easier for teams to improve, is prob. TONS easier then finding enough GM's that are good at it or trying to teach them and help them.
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 28, 2006 16:07:43 GMT -5
dumb.=/
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Mar 28, 2006 17:13:45 GMT -5
This is so fucking retarded, everyone who voted yes is a dumbass.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 28, 2006 17:38:46 GMT -5
This is so fucking retarded, everyone who voted yes is a dumbass. funniest thing is the drafts have been getting worse every year...really no one's going to get a all star with a compensation pick are they
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 17:41:29 GMT -5
no but they could get someone like Bruce Currie like ANA got in the late 1st round, I mean it basically hurts everybody else, like say teams like TOR, ANA, COL, FLA, MIL, MON, SEA, SD
the compensation pick means that we all get to pick after those other teams get 3 picks, I think it is stupid, I mean maybe they should get a compensation pick after the 3rd round, but to do it after the 1st is ridiculous.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 28, 2006 17:44:45 GMT -5
no but they could get someone like Bruce Currie like ANA got in the late 1st round, I mean it basically hurts everybody else, like say teams like TOR, ANA, COL, FLA, MIL, MON, SEA, SD the compensation pick means that we all get to pick after those other teams get 3 picks, I think it is stupid, I mean maybe they should get a compensation pick after the 3rd round, but to do it after the 1st is ridiculous. ya but this rule was voted on to make the league more competive and balanced...the teams you named are the upper echoleon teams of the league...
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 17:48:35 GMT -5
thats my point, because we did a good job with our team, this is punishing us. I mean why should the teams that suck at this get 3 picks to our 1? I mean seriously, they get better by having better picks then us. If they screw that up it's there own damn problem, but not anymore now we get screwed over cause they don't know what they are doing
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 28, 2006 17:55:05 GMT -5
thats my point, because we did a good job with our team, this is punishing us. I mean why should the teams that suck at this get 3 picks to our 1? I mean seriously, they get better by having better picks then us. If they screw that up it's there own damn problem, but not anymore now we get screwed over cause they don't know what they are doing True that, negro!
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 28, 2006 18:00:45 GMT -5
still wont be any difference makers...and as for currie he was in the best class ever....who would the compensation picks have been from last yrs class....anyone you(or any upper echeleon teams) would want to get...I highly doubt it...
though the best part is our words don't matter the votes have been cast...
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 18:09:14 GMT -5
well the one CHC got was Joe Russell who is actually pretty good, then there is Dave Allen who is also a pretty good player, I mean those are guys I wouldn't mind having...
Also if votes couldn't be changed, then it would have been tied 7-7 and wouldn't have passed, so it does count, cause we could always re-vote to get rid of it.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 28, 2006 19:07:15 GMT -5
well the one CHC got was Joe Russell who is actually pretty good, then there is Dave Allen who is also a pretty good player, I mean those are guys I wouldn't mind having... Also if votes couldn't be changed, then it would have been tied 7-7 and wouldn't have passed, so it does count, cause we could always re-vote to get rid of it.
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Mar 28, 2006 19:24:42 GMT -5
no team getting compensation picks will have a top 10 pick...the point is you get the pick the year you become good, not the other way around.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 19:27:42 GMT -5
Yes your right, CIN(who did not, by the definition of tanking, tank)
27-135
will be able to the following season win 50 games(+33 wins)
and get a compensation pick and be 50-112 giving him the 3rd pick in the draft
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 19:40:17 GMT -5
Also if they are improving so much then they don't need compensation picks, did any of us get rewarded for winning our divisions??? No we get the last picks in every draft. But we are going to reward all the other teams for doing good? doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 28, 2006 21:06:03 GMT -5
your reward is being able to have a much higher payroll then the teams getting a compensation pick...
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 28, 2006 21:08:46 GMT -5
yea what a great reward when you guys that suck have twice as much as anyone else to spend, plus a compensation pick, plus higher pick in the draft then us.
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Post by Brian Cashman on Mar 28, 2006 21:12:24 GMT -5
Yeah and on a note Dave Allen was a Yankee before packaging him to FLA. Det and I are the only 2 teams in this league that didn't tank and rebuilt the right way. Meaning(not sure about DET) Had players that deserved to be in the Majors each year but kinda stunk and rebuilt the right way. I at no point fielded a team that had more than 1 maybe 2 players that never deserved to be in the majors player in the majors at once. and Next year throug hthe right moves I should contned with TOR for the East title and be backi n playoffs or very clsoe to it and since this rule isn';t going to take effect right away I won't be able to get a compensation pick. Also DET who won 42 games more this year isn't gonna be gettign a compensation pick. and then there was that NL team(forget which one) that improved by liek 30 games they won't be gettign one so wheres the fairness in that I stand by saying this is the stupidest rule ever and should be overturned
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