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Post by Bill Stoneman on Feb 7, 2008 0:58:14 GMT -5
Ryan Braun signs with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
5yrs @ 19 Mil per
9 Mil SB
2m for 40 HRs
1m for 30 2Bs
3m for .310 Avg (500 ABs)
2m for SLG% .600 (500 ABs)
1m for OBP .380 (500 ABs)
2m for 115 RBI
2m for 110 Runs
NCC
NWC
NTC
Dustin Pedroia signs with the Boston Red Sox.
3yr @ 12M per
10M SB
500k for .290+ AVG
500k for .980+ FLDing
500k for .380+ OBP
500k for .460+ SLGing
500k for 40+ Doubles
Rich Hill signs with the San Francisco Giants.
7 yrs @ 9 mil per
9 mil SB
ML rotation spot Guaranteed
500K for 14 wins
500K for 200k's
500K for ASG appearance
Carlos Marmol signs with the Minnesota Twins.
5 yrs @ $8 mil per
Guaranteed Closer after rookie season
2 Mil for 30+ saves
2 Mil for ERA under 3.00
1.5 Mil for 50+ K's
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 1:12:33 GMT -5
wow
19 MIL per year with a 9 MIL SB= almost 21 MIL per year
13 MIL in incentives
if he reaches his incentives every year the contract is basically 5 years 170 MIL then he may be worth the 19 MIL per year deal, if he doesn't reach the incentives he isn't worth the 19 MIL let alone the 34 MIL per year it equals out to be
The rest of the deals look reasonable though
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Post by Jose Canseco on Feb 7, 2008 3:35:52 GMT -5
as LAD sponser im rejecting this contract offer...this has never been done but the requirements for a sponser is to insure the GM is not allowed to hurt the franchise while learning...this is a clear case where LAD had NO clue what he was doing....
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Post by Walter Alston on Feb 7, 2008 5:46:41 GMT -5
back off Sean
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Post by Doug Melvin on Feb 7, 2008 7:45:17 GMT -5
That offer is something that is bad for the league. That is the way import signings are going. We have to look at what we can do to stop offers like this. I don't think we can stop it because it already happened, but in the future. If he can afford the deal this yr, it is a valid signing.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 9:31:58 GMT -5
yeah tech. the deal isn't horrible if he moves Braun to C he is a C with a 8 arm and 47 HR's with speed to steal 40-50 bases, thats insane and a franchise player not worth the deal, but maybe worth it without the incentives. LAD was told numerous times how bad the offer was when he made it and he still wanted it. The deal is only 5 years long and eventually he may be able to move him if he agrees to pay all incentives. Since I am in his division what I say doesn't matter but the teams in the West have to do something crazy to compete with me and this is a GM trying to compete, can't fault him for that.
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Feb 7, 2008 10:01:42 GMT -5
LAD is going to have the money to pay Braun...the incentives, maybe not. Let him compete the way he wants to and he can sell picks/players if he needs to. He has some 40 mil in cap room now and the deal is still only 5 years.
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Post by Carlton Fisk on Feb 7, 2008 10:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Jeff you are right...some of us have done some crazy things to try to keep up with the rockies...just glad at least for a few seasons i have a team that can at the very least compete with you....nice to see some talent goto LA finally, maybe he can snipe a couple of wins from you and i can win the division this year...lol
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 10:43:51 GMT -5
lol I hope it comes down to a close race this year good luck to both of you  |
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Feb 7, 2008 11:58:43 GMT -5
As long as PHI and I end up with NL East and WC, I'm happy!
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 12:04:36 GMT -5
you lost Thome your season is over nobody cares about that Wells character
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Post by John Kruk on Feb 7, 2008 12:41:14 GMT -5
LA gets a top notch player, good for LA they needed one. It looks like most of his team is young anyways so I don't think the cash is going to hurt him to much right away. He has a core of players. Imports are here for situations just like this. A bad team with cash that wants to take a step in the right direction. Braun would have got a 18+ per yr in an open bid forum as well, but the incentives are way too high. But some times you have to make a splash and LA made a big one!!!
I think Boston paid too much for Pedroia, but he is in rebuild and the dude is a RL player.
Suprised to see Marmol got that much cash too. But another situation in which a team that needs a player gets one. This should help the Twinkies.
Hill and the Giants a good fit.
This year none of the top teams got an import. That surprises mee some. The past has dictated some import action at the top. Take away the Balt year.
As a sponsor I would reject the deal for LA but I am not his sponsor and don't know if that would even matter. Since I have never scene that before in a signing.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 13:05:00 GMT -5
LA gets a top notch player, good for LA they needed one. It looks like most of his team is young anyways so I don't think the cash is going to hurt him to much right away. He has a core of players. Imports are here for situations just like this. A bad team with cash that wants to take a step in the right direction. Braun would have got a 18+ per yr in an open bid forum as well, but the incentives are way too high. But some times you have to make a splash and LA made a big one!!! I think Boston paid too much for Pedroia, but he is in rebuild and the dude is a RL player. Suprised to see Marmol got that much cash too. But another situation in which a team that needs a player gets one. This should help the Twinkies. Hill and the Giants a good fit. This year none of the top teams got an import. That surprises mee some. The past has dictated some import action at the top. Take away the Balt year. As a sponsor I would reject the deal for LA but I am not his sponsor and don't know if that would even matter. Since I have never scene that before in a signing. Yea surprised me a little no top teams bid, but if you break it down it makes sense ANA was out of it cause he handles it, TOR I expect that he bid on Pedroia but barely got beat out SEA I expect bid on Pedroia and Braun but also got outbid NYM's only have 4 MIL to spend MIL only has 13 and thats without Beltran, ARI got K-Rod which took there cash away, COL has Gwynn and Reyes at SS/2B and Wright at 3rd with no use for the average pitchers PHI already has Gordon at 3B so no Braun, I expected you to bid on Pedroia but again the average pitchers really no use here Basically it comes down to AL contenders prob. bid on Braun but got outbid by LAD and the other contenders either didn't have the money or no use for these imports. |
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Post by Jose Canseco on Feb 7, 2008 13:51:03 GMT -5
im not backing down from my stance that its horrible...and I mean nothing bad against Pete he's a cool guy...this is just a bad move...
I wasnt going to call BOS out but his is awful too but he's been here so he's allowed too...
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Post by Philip J. Fry on Feb 7, 2008 13:51:46 GMT -5
Braun's a better fit in the AL but in the import world you have to pay bigtime cash to get what you want. I see no reason for rejecting the signing Sean get off your power trip.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Feb 7, 2008 14:21:15 GMT -5
Pedroia's deal is more than fine, he just barely beat out TOR's offer. Considering he is a prototypical 2B and #2 hitter. Low K's more BB's than K's, good speed, good contact, decent HR power, high OBP, not to mention good defense. 12 MIL is a good offer and its only a 3 year deal so if he doesn't pan out its the perfect contract.
LAD obviously WAY overpaid for Braun, but he got a guy capable of stealing 50 bases and hitting 50 HR's, not a guy most NL guys would go after but he is still better than any player LAD ML's have seen in way to long. considering his team is full of cheap guys he will still have 40 MIL or so in cap space next year even if Braun reaches all his incentives.
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Feb 7, 2008 16:59:30 GMT -5
BOS is a RL Boston fan...forgive him for bidding high on a guy who is probably one of his favorite players (like I tried doing for Zimmerman).
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Post by Bill Buckner on Feb 7, 2008 18:56:00 GMT -5
thank you for taking my side Jeff and Hoagie. Hoagie is right, he is one of my favorite players and COL is exactly right on what i was thinking...hes basically a perfect #2 in the lineup and he is 24 and will still be there for when i bring up the rest of my players. Also, it was only a 3 year contract and in those 3 years i wont be competing so why does it matter if he isnt worth what he's paid? after the 3rd year ill resign him for the appropriate amount. Now, when i resign him if i overpay, then that can be legitimately ridiculed
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Post by Jose Canseco on Feb 8, 2008 11:42:41 GMT -5
Braun's a better fit in the AL but in the import world you have to pay bigtime cash to get what you want. I see no reason for rejecting the signing Sean get off your power trip. im his sponser...sponsers are supposed to make sure they dont get screwed and cripple a franchsie before the GM knows what he's doing... and if anyone says a NL team should have signed that deal they need a sponser too... |
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Feb 8, 2008 14:53:34 GMT -5
Braun had 18 win shares last year IRL with a fld% under like .900. He's still a very valuable player.
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