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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 14, 2008 0:03:07 GMT -5
Toronto Sends Monte Python Herbert Watkins Matt Morris Matt Mantei Cinnci's 2nd rounder Barney Rivera
Arizona Sends Pedro Martinez ( contract covered ) Francisco Rodriguez ( 7 mill per year covered for remainder of contract )
good luck to arizona and his rebuild.
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Post by Carlton Fisk on Mar 14, 2008 0:05:09 GMT -5
confirmed...
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Post by Jose Canseco on Mar 14, 2008 1:54:51 GMT -5
protest...ARI giving WAY too much money with little return...
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Post by Brian Cashman on Mar 14, 2008 22:08:09 GMT -5
i agree it goes to TC
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 14, 2008 23:02:51 GMT -5
rofl pretty sure the only reason NYY veto'd is cause his brother was after k-rod that and we are battling eachother for top spot in the AL east, and this makes my current roster better but hurts my future.
also could this please go and get a trade council asap since the trade deadline is tomorrow.
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Post by Bill Stoneman on Mar 14, 2008 23:55:15 GMT -5
TC will be PHI, SEA, PIT, and NYM with me as a tiebreak if necessary.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 15, 2008 9:17:16 GMT -5
rofl pretty sure the only reason NYY veto'd is cause his brother was after k-rod that and we are battling eachother for top spot in the AL east, and this makes my current roster better but hurts my future. also could this please go and get a trade council asap since the trade deadline is tomorrow. I expect a fine for that but since I was brought into this I was going to veto it but since I was going after K-Rod and ARI was involved in the deal and in my division I was just letting it go. I never spoke to NYY about it and I am not even sure he knew I was going after K-Rod. I believe the reason he and CIN vetoed it was prob. the fact you are getting 35 MIL dollars on K-Rod and 12 MIL on Pedro as well as the level of talent they are. Thats 47 MIL over the next 5 years. 47 MIL is the amount of cash needed to purchase 4 draft picks around 10th-15th in the draft(about 12 MIL per pick) In this trade he is getting 2 players that MAY be 1st round material. So without even covering the cash involved it can't be justified and we haven't even talked about Pedro and K-Rod.
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Post by Dave Stieb on Mar 15, 2008 9:23:38 GMT -5
TC will be PHI, SEA, PIT, and NYM with me as a tiebreak if necessary. Out of curiousity, why am I never on a TC? I've been in this league longer than most that are currently in UCSL. Just wondering...
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 15, 2008 9:56:32 GMT -5
TC will be PHI, SEA, PIT, and NYM with me as a tiebreak if necessary. Out of curiousity, why am I never on a TC? I've been in this league longer than most that are currently in UCSL. Just wondering... I think it may have something to do with you handing CIN your 1st round draft picks 3 years in a row.... but I am not 100% sure
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 15, 2008 11:17:40 GMT -5
rofl pretty sure the only reason NYY veto'd is cause his brother was after k-rod that and we are battling eachother for top spot in the AL east, and this makes my current roster better but hurts my future. also could this please go and get a trade council asap since the trade deadline is tomorrow. I expect a fine for that but since I was brought into this I was going to veto it but since I was going after K-Rod and ARI was involved in the deal and in my division I was just letting it go. I never spoke to NYY about it and I am not even sure he knew I was going after K-Rod. I believe the reason he and CIN vetoed it was prob. the fact you are getting 35 MIL dollars on K-Rod and 12 MIL on Pedro as well as the level of talent they are. Thats 47 MIL over the next 5 years. 47 MIL is the amount of cash needed to purchase 4 draft picks around 10th-15th in the draft(about 12 MIL per pick) In this trade he is getting 2 players that MAY be 1st round material. So without even covering the cash involved it can't be justified and we haven't even talked about Pedro and K-Rod. and he needs the money this year for what? he's getting players that can be used to help his future, now that he is in a rebuild mode. He'd be getting nothing for them if he just held on to them espically pedro since he's a pfa and 38 years old. It's pretty much Krod for all that. It was a tough trade for me to even make. And i'm sorry if i'm wrong about the whole nyy vetoing it cause you were after him, it just seems kinda odd. Cause IMO it's a very fair trade for both teams.
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Post by Andy Van Slyke on Mar 15, 2008 11:45:04 GMT -5
The trade as it stands now should be vetoed, if Arizona wasn't paying 7 mil per year on one of the top RPs in baseball for the rest of his contract I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it. If they rework that part of it I would approve, but the current trade my vote is no.
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Mar 15, 2008 11:53:48 GMT -5
PIT, please wait for ARI to put in their reasoning before voting.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 15, 2008 13:52:21 GMT -5
I expect a fine for that but since I was brought into this I was going to veto it but since I was going after K-Rod and ARI was involved in the deal and in my division I was just letting it go. I never spoke to NYY about it and I am not even sure he knew I was going after K-Rod. I believe the reason he and CIN vetoed it was prob. the fact you are getting 35 MIL dollars on K-Rod and 12 MIL on Pedro as well as the level of talent they are. Thats 47 MIL over the next 5 years. 47 MIL is the amount of cash needed to purchase 4 draft picks around 10th-15th in the draft(about 12 MIL per pick) In this trade he is getting 2 players that MAY be 1st round material. So without even covering the cash involved it can't be justified and we haven't even talked about Pedro and K-Rod. and he needs the money this year for what? he's getting players that can be used to help his future, now that he is in a rebuild mode. He'd be getting nothing for them if he just held on to them espically pedro since he's a pfa and 38 years old. It's pretty much Krod for all that. It was a tough trade for me to even make. And i'm sorry if i'm wrong about the whole nyy vetoing it cause you were after him, it just seems kinda odd. Cause IMO it's a very fair trade for both teams. in your opinion its a fair trade so NYY vetoing it(on top of another person vetoing it who iis ARI's friend) means that he is cheating because I wanted K-Rod??? that makes a ton of sense cause he has obv. vetoed every trade that involved a guy I was going after over the past 7-8 seasons. Maybe you are just bitter that your trade got vetoed and were trying to make up a reason for NYY's vetoing it to sway the TC??? that is more logical then you accusin NYY of vetoing to help my team, cause he is obv. out to make me win and not win himself...
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 15, 2008 17:42:17 GMT -5
and he needs the money this year for what? he's getting players that can be used to help his future, now that he is in a rebuild mode. He'd be getting nothing for them if he just held on to them espically pedro since he's a pfa and 38 years old. It's pretty much Krod for all that. It was a tough trade for me to even make. And i'm sorry if i'm wrong about the whole nyy vetoing it cause you were after him, it just seems kinda odd. Cause IMO it's a very fair trade for both teams. in your opinion its a fair trade so NYY vetoing it(on top of another person vetoing it who iis ARI's friend) means that he is cheating because I wanted K-Rod??? that makes a ton of sense cause he has obv. vetoed every trade that involved a guy I was going after over the past 7-8 seasons. Maybe you are just bitter that your trade got vetoed and were trying to make up a reason for NYY's vetoing it to sway the TC??? that is more logical then you accusin NYY of vetoing to help my team, cause he is obv. out to make me win and not win himself... yeah 2 ppl veto'd it, after being up for awhile and i'm sure lots of GM's viewed it and seen no problem. It's just funny NY was the 2nd team to veto it when me and him are going for the AL East title.. and this will help my team this year. can we please just hurry and get a decision so we can try to figure something else out. If it is in fact veto'd. thanks
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 15, 2008 18:42:17 GMT -5
in your opinion its a fair trade so NYY vetoing it(on top of another person vetoing it who iis ARI's friend) means that he is cheating because I wanted K-Rod??? that makes a ton of sense cause he has obv. vetoed every trade that involved a guy I was going after over the past 7-8 seasons. Maybe you are just bitter that your trade got vetoed and were trying to make up a reason for NYY's vetoing it to sway the TC??? that is more logical then you accusin NYY of vetoing to help my team, cause he is obv. out to make me win and not win himself... yeah 2 ppl veto'd it, after being up for awhile and i'm sure lots of GM's viewed it and seen no problem. It's just funny NY was the 2nd team to veto it when me and him are going for the AL East title.. and this will help my team this year. can we please just hurry and get a decision so we can try to figure something else out. If it is in fact veto'd. thanks I saw it and wanted to veto it but decided not to... not cause it is a good deal but I wanted to avoid ARI or you bitching that I am in ARI's division and was going after K-Rod. NYY's is the League President and is in that position because he has proven in the past that he doesn't veto for stupid reaons.... now 4 GM's(COL, CIN, PITT, NYY) have posted it is a bad deal and should be vetoed... hmm they all must have been going after K-Rod or are afraid of TOR
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Post by JP Riccardi on Mar 15, 2008 18:46:35 GMT -5
Like I said can we just get the voting over asap. I still feel strongly that it was a fair trade and have talked to many other vetern GMs that felt the same.
last time i'm posting here. ( wish we had trash talk thread ) lol
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Mar 15, 2008 19:08:59 GMT -5
Still waiting for ARI to post his reasoning....he's got about 4 and 1/2 more hours I think...
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Mar 16, 2008 12:04:08 GMT -5
ARI isn't gonna post his reasoning so we can have the rest of the TC vote now. His time limit has passed
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Mar 16, 2008 12:09:05 GMT -5
Yep, time limit has passed. Voting is good now.
I vote to pass. The money left on Pedro's contract this year is not $12 mil as COL said earlier, but rather like $4 or 5 mil. F-Rod does have a lot of money paid on his contract (28 mil over the next 4 years), but I think ARI gets a decent enough bounty:
Monte Python will be a solid addition to the middle of the lineup for ARI at a premium position. Herbert Watkins will be a solid #3 starter who will keep games close for him. Matt Morris has been a solid pitcher his whole career and holds an above league average era of 3.83 over the last 3 years, just .27 above pedro's era of 3.56 over the same time period. Matt Mantei actually has an era .44 below Francisco Rodriguez over the same time period. When you throw in CIN's 2nd rounder and a potential #4/5 starter in Rivera, I think ARI makes out just fine. Especially since both GM's are veterans of the league, I think this trade deserves the benefit of the doubt.
And the point that K-Rod is one of the top few relievers in the league: he has the edits and has put up good numbers, but not great ones. Look at the relievers who have put up 125 or more innings over the last 3 years. K-Rod ranks 33 in ERA, 6 in SV (but 8 in BS), 15th in OBP against, 62nd in SLG% against...to say he's a good, even very good pitcher is accurate. But I need to see more sub-3 era seasons and more consistent production in general to call him one of the top 10 or 15 relievers in the league. I would call him top 20 to 30, however. I have moderate confidence that he will develop into an elite guy, but he's not there yet, and there are no guarantees in baseball, even a sim league.
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Post by John Kruk on Mar 16, 2008 17:32:55 GMT -5
I gotta agree with Hoagie here. I vote to pass. AZ gets a good middle of the lineup guy in Python a solid #3 in Watkins and a few fluff guys. K-Rod is good but not great and a RP. I think AZ got as much as he was able to get and get the deal done. I don't really see this as bad for the league.
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