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Post by kevintowers on Jun 15, 2005 8:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by nate839 on Jun 15, 2005 10:49:02 GMT -5
All i have to say is that i dont think its fair...butt... ITS UP TO TB GM. If jones is the way he wants to go with his team....thats his choice. Let everyone trade. If u get ripped....your a fool....thats your problem....i can understand with new GM's...get them an ACTIVE SPONSOR.....i forgot we even had a Cleveland GM. If your an experienced gm, and u get ripped and are happy with it....thats your choice....let us run our teams the way we want....If i have sooo much depth that i wanna give up for a player like Fielder, Harvey, or Young, and i wanna give him WAYY to much for them....i think it should go through...cause i wanna get another big bat in my lineup.
As for the Colorado GM....your a good GM, but dont you tell me you wouldnt be bitchin at me if i traded Sergio Santos, Jamar Hill, Jesus Cota, and Daniel Cabrera for Delmon Young.....cause thats pretty much what you did....everyone needs to stop complaining. IF YOU DONT HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR A PROBLEM TO POST....DONT POST AT ALL......now our commish puts tons of time into this, and gets no help from any of you.....all he gets is problems, and gm's bitching in complaining...... MY Suggestion: Get A Co-Commish, NL Prez, AL Prez, and a Trade Oversight. NL Prez, and Trade Oversight votes pass or veto on all AL Trades....AL Prez, and Trade Oversight votes pass or veto on all NL Trades.....Co-Commish, and Trade Oversight vote on Interleague Deals.....If there is a tie.....the decision goes to commish.....he's got the final word...End of story....Anyone else comments in the trade forum, besides those officers will be fined.
Just my two cents. Tell me what you think.
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Post by Jim Hendry on Jun 15, 2005 11:52:06 GMT -5
Shut up Philly, you have no room to talk!!!
JUST KIDDING. Amen to what you said...
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Post by Bill Buckner on Jun 15, 2005 11:58:46 GMT -5
i also think people should settle down about this, this is suppose to be fun. I mean i know sometimes i get heated, but then i realize its just a game. O'Dowd tries to make a good point about this which i think is legit. People get so heated about this and everything. But on the other hand, O'Dowd does need to be able to take some criticism for a few things. But thats about all that should be going on now. I say let this just pass depending on whether TB still wants to do the trade and lets get going with the season! DO not let an outburst like this affect the rest of the season. PLAY BALL!
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Jun 15, 2005 13:46:09 GMT -5
sup 2
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Post by Bill Stoneman on Jun 15, 2005 13:56:49 GMT -5
i can understand with new GM's...get them an ACTIVE SPONSOR.....i forgot we even had a Cleveland GM. Um....the CLE gm is one of the most active in the league, he's the NL President, and the only reason he hasn't responded yet is because he just got a 2nd job and his orientation is long hours.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Jun 15, 2005 14:03:42 GMT -5
Yeah he is the good President, don't bash on him lol, bash on that other guy.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Jun 15, 2005 15:24:47 GMT -5
Clearing the air...
first if my post bothered anyone other then O'Dowd I appoligize...
second...I was extremely pissed about some of the things O'Dowd said about me...like I was only vetoing it b/c I want Young...well I wont deny that I want young and have made numerous offers for him...but to say Im vetoing a trade b/c I didnt get him..thats the same as calling me a cheater...and O'Dowd knows I dont hear that...and we know O'Dowd gets pissed if he called a cheater...and him and I have gotten into "flame wars" as mike put it....over that very same issue before...
even seeing O'Dowd say the trade was a joke was ok...no need to vote if the trade was a vote...but the fact he started this with the intentions to get a rise outta Justin and Myself needs to be addressed...as does my response...I know I was outta line...but O'Dowd knows JUST how to push my buttons...but IF I am delt with(Mike hasnt emailed me or said anything about it so I dunno) O'Dowd should deserve whatever penalites I get plus more...I say more b/c his intentions were to start this...
I said last time I went ballistic I said Iwouldn't do it again...and I have actually held back on few things O'Dowd has said to me(usually via messenger)....I will work on my temper, especially when it comes to O'Dowd and the crap he plays
Dan O'Brien
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Post by kevintowers on Jun 15, 2005 15:55:17 GMT -5
ok this is all just a little ridiculous...can we start the season?!? is this a sim league or a punk'd league?
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Jun 15, 2005 16:13:48 GMT -5
Ok Cincy, grow up, no need to post all that cause of this, the trade wasn't a "joke" it was just done in the knowledge that it would get vetoed. The joke was you acting like a baby about it. I was told you vetoed it because my team is to good and honestly I wouldn't put it past you, do to some things you have said, and your actions. Honestly the trade was a real trade, just with me having the knowledge that you and Justin would post a veto on it, thats why i waited until Justin posted about it to say I knew it would get vetoed and forget about it, Cincy I have tried to not talk to you. Just leave me alone ok? You can't have my players so get over it lol. Just have fun, don't get so pissed about things, and stop trying to get me into trouble lol, every time you do something dumb, you blame it on me and suggest I get punished, are you 2? no, so stop acting like it and HAVE FUN, DON'T TAKE THIS SO SERIOSLY IT IS MEANT FOR FUN, this is caps cause it is important not cause I am yelling at you so don't say I need a time out or something ok?
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Post by Bill Buckner on Jun 15, 2005 16:20:50 GMT -5
EVERYONE SHUT UP! ILL HAVE MIKE CLOSE OFF THIS THREAD IF ANYONE STARTS BITCHING AT EACH OTHER AGAIN. JUST HAVE FUN AND PLAY BALL!
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Post by kevintowers on Jun 15, 2005 16:24:33 GMT -5
but if mike closes the forum, how will col and cincy fight like 5 yr olds for the last word?
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Post by langevin25 on Jun 15, 2005 17:04:15 GMT -5
So much hate.....sucks to be the angry ones.....you all don't have these nice rings......but you do have your panties in a bunch.....unless of course you don't wear panties.....if so please do not IM me unless you have a trade to offer....and put on panties while we are talking trade.
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Jun 20, 2005 18:04:49 GMT -5
This is my last post on this matter, and hopefully the last one until Cleveland, since everyone else not directly involved in this trade has had there opinions heard, this is my final explanation, hopefully you all read it in full, to get a better idea of why this trade was posted, other than the reasoning of knowing Justin and Cincy would get mad.(which prob. wasn't the best idea to post that I knew it would upset them, but I was hoping it got everyone to stop talking about it until something was resolved.)
Adam Jones 182H/600AB 117 BB, 63 K’s 21 2B, 10 3B’s, 20 HR’s, .312, .296, .441, .420, .482, .458 6.7 speed, 7.68 INF range and 5.96 OF range, .978 fielding%
Delmon Young 189H/600AB 120 BB, 102 K’s, 38 2B, 2 3B’s, 51 HR’s .324, .309, .455, .433, .659, .627 4.8 speed, 1.36 INF range, 7 OF range, .986 fielding%
With Tex Lewis and Frank Ramos added to it he gets another combined 138 combined Xtra Base hits, then Nunez who I admit has an awful OBP, but a really good BA and decent SLG% against, and Mondesi who is a decent SP with great END and the 2 draft picks this deal isn’t bad for the league or TB.
By looking at this, Adam Jones gets TB on base 299 times, and Young gets him on base 309 times, Jones has more speed, and better range then Young, while Young has a better arm and better fielding% then Jones, Jones plays SS while Young plays OF. Though Young will hit more HR’s he only gets 10 more chances at scoring a run then Jones does. With Jones Striking out 39 less times then Young, which means Young will get the bat on the ball more which means he will probably get the bat on the ball more times which increases the chance at more errors for the other team, which means though he won’t get on base as much as Young (10 less times) he should reach base about as much. I have heard that Jones is good but not great, and nothing awesome, but when you get this production out of your SS, and can get OF’ers just about anytime you want to , cause there are so many of them, I think you are in a good spot there, plus he gets 2 draft picks also, which could get him a guy like either Bruce Currie from ANA or Jim Berger, the guy I got in the middle of the second round. I know alot of you wouldn’t do this trade, but it is TB’s team, and if you look at the numbers, other than SLG% Young and Jones are pretty similar, and the players and draft picks more than make up for the SLG%. I know it was said that I look at the numbers that suit me, but this is everything the editor has for these two players, and by the vitals, their isn’t a HUGE difference. Young gets more XB hits, but him and Jones get on base about the same amount of times, and he is getting the production from the MIF, not from another OF’er. This is not mant to upset anyone, I am just posting this so hopefully you guys see why I don’t think this is a bad trade for either side, and why a lot of the other GM’s have agreed that it isn’t a bad trade.
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Post by Jim Bowden on Jun 20, 2005 18:32:16 GMT -5
Why even post this when you already pretty much admitted it was a rip off?
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Post by Darryl Strawberry on Jun 20, 2005 19:00:59 GMT -5
I never admitted it was a ripoff, I admitted that it would piss off Cincy and Justin. I only made THAT post cause people were getting all pissy about it. It isn't a ripoff and if you read my post you can tell it isn't. The trade is a fair trade, and I wouldn't have posted it if I thought it wasn't. TB traded for Jones, cause he wanted a awesome bat at SS, and had OF'ers to spare, now he traded Baldelli for the same reason, and got Brett Harper which gave him the SLG% he lost with Young, he is showing he knows what he is doing and is building a solid young team from top to bottom. The trade is fair though, the only difference between Jones and Young is the SLG%, they get on base equal amount of time, Jones is faster with better range, Young has a stronger arm with a little better fielding%, Jones plays a more desired position. I still don't get how people are saying this trade doesn't make sense with no backing to there argument, ok Jones is a mediocre SS, there is nothing you can say to prove he is a mediocre SS, or you are saying that Young is a mediocre OF'er. THE ONLY difference is the SLG%. Nobody would give a guy that has Jones' bat at SS with another stud and two draft picks for Young. I gave him 4 avg. players a STUD SS and a 1st and second round draft pick for a STUD OF'er. You can't compare Jones to Young as if they played the same position for one, but if you did Jones stacks up to Young in every regard but SLG% then you add the more desired position. Though I said it was a joke, it was just to stop ya'll from posting, it was getting out of hand, and I told Mike that after I posted it. All we are waiting for is Clevelands decision when he gets on.
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Post by Jose Canseco on Jun 20, 2005 20:43:21 GMT -5
still the worst trade ever hope cleveland can keep some fuckin sanity here
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Post by Jim Bowden on Jun 20, 2005 23:18:24 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Rizzo on Jun 21, 2005 5:13:09 GMT -5
i kindof agree with colorado. this trade is at least fair enough to pass. while it may be leaning a little bit, each side gets players of value. i dont see where you guys find it to be so bad that it needs to be vetoed. just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean it needs to be vetoed.
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Post by kevintowers on Jun 21, 2005 9:12:58 GMT -5
i cant believe ppl are still posting on this. its been over a week right? i think mike needs to make a decison rather than waiting for cleveland since he hasn't had time in a week to respond. we are starting st so this needs to be resolved and tampa bay needs to get his player back and get a real offer for young. "stud ss" He's a ss with good numbers not a stud ss. i dont like how colorado is inflating the deal to make it sound better but at this point its not going to change much anyway except hold up the league so im for just letting the weak-sided ripoff trade that was admitted to be made just to piss a couple owners off go through. give colorado young and tampa bay his stud package and then fine colorado for making a trade to piss other owners off. i just want to play ball!!!
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